Very true Sagebrush, you never know what kind of tests these manufacturers are using. I'll put some more clarification in there.
Volvo Unveils Plug-in Hybrid Diesel V60: 124 MPG, 30 Electric Miles, AWD, 0-60 in 6.9 Sec
Ahead of next week's Geneva Motor Show Volvo has taken the wraps off its latest plug-in project, the V60 PHEV. Calling it "three cars in one," Volvo has included just about everything but the kitchen sink for next generation car enthusiasts: an all-electric range of 30 miles using a 12 kWh lithium-ion battery, 124 mpg when driving in hybrid mode, a 2.4 liter turbocharged diesel engine, all-wheel drive using the electric motor for the rear wheels and the diesel engine for the front wheels, and a sport mode that combines both power sources for maximum performance resulting in a 0-60 mph time of 6.9 seconds.
The World's First Diesel-Electric Production PHEV
Just last week we were treated to the notion of a plug-in hybrid diesel-electric SUV in the form of a Land Rover prototype. Yet while the Land Rover is a one-off test model, the V60 PHEV, when it hits the market in 2012, will be the world's first diesel-electric PHEV—combining the efficiencies of both a diesel and electric drivetrain into one vehicle.
An offshoot of Volvo's efforts with the V70 PHEV prototype, the V60 PHEV will add to Volvo's growing list of plug-in vehicles which include the production-intent C30 Electric.
What Mode Do You Want? The V60 PHEV Gives the Driver Complete Control
More than any other mass-market plug-in we've seen (believe it or not, only the BYD F3DM even comes close), the V60 PHEV gives the driver lots of control over driving mode. Want it to be all-electric? Just press a button and if the V60 has enough charge left you'll transfer into EV mode. In fact the V60 PHEV offers three modes:
- PURE Mode: In this mode the V60 will use its 70 horsepower electric motor and 12 kWh battery (8 kWh usable) exclusively until the battery range is exhausted.
- HYBRID Mode: This is the car's default mode upon start-up in which both the rear-wheel drive electric motor and the front-wheel drive 215 horsepower turbodiesel engine work together. In this mode Volvo claims the car can return 124 miles per gallon and emit less than 49 grams of CO2 per kilometer. Keep in mind that it's hard to tell how realistic manufacturer's claims are, and 124 mpg does seem like a stretch for a vehicle like this.
- POWER Mode: No this one isn't for control freaks, it's for performance freaks. In this mode the V60 meshes both the diesel and the electric drivetrains to provide maximum torque and power, resulting in a claimed 0-60 mph time of 6.9 seconds.
Volvo says the POWER mode is important for plug-in cars to go mainstream. "In order to get true car enthusiasts to think green, you have to offer them the opportunity to drive with low carbon dioxide emissions without taking away the adrenaline rush that promotes genuine driving pleasure," said Stefan Jacoby, President and CEO of Volvo Cars. "The V60 Plug-in Hybrid has all the traditional properties of a genuine sports wagon. What we've done is to spice it up with spearhead technology that allows the driver to choose: zero emissions, high-efficiency hybrid or full-on performance. Just select the mode that suits best."
The video below provides a good summary of all the various driving modes, as well as recharging capabilities.
It Will Hit the Market in 2012, But Will it Come to the U.S.?
So what, another concept car you say? Nope. Volvo says the V60 PHEV will hit European showrooms in 2012. No word on whether or not it will reach the U.S., but given that the conventional V60 isn't available stateside and most automakers are reticent to sell conventional diesels here, chances seem slim.
Yet in an email, Daniel Johnston, Product Communications Manager for Volvo Cars of North America, told PluginCars.com, "We never comment on future products for this market. However, we have not said 'no' to this project. First will be a roll out for Europe, we want to ramp up slowly with production to keep quality where it should be. Right now this car is diesel configuration which does not meet US EPA standards, so from that side we need to work on an emission system or alternative for our market. If it came to this market, it would probably be a good year after it launched in other markets. It all depends on getting a US-spec PHEV and still meeting European volumn expectations."
But What's the Price?
Although there's no official word on pricing yet, a fully loaded V50 costs about $39,000 in the US. The V60 is not currently for sale in the States, but in Europe the V60 sells for about $5,000 more than the V50. Add in at least $8,000 worth of technology for the PHEV and now you're talking about a $50-$55,000 vehicle. I could be completely wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that'll be the price range if it ever comes to the US.
Comments
· SageBrush · 1 year ago
Sorry, I didn't finish my thought in the above post: if output shaft to wheels requires 200 wh/mile, then the ICE has to burn at 66% thermo efficiency to reach 124 mpg. Uh huh.
· EVNow · 1 year ago
I think they are talking about somekind of combined ev/hybrid mpg with assumed driving scenarios.
· Christof Demont... · 1 year ago
This sounds really cool -- but alas, 50k plus just isn't affordable for us...
· Tom Moloughney · 1 year ago
EVNow has to have it right. They are probably talking about the combined mileage which is really impossible to put a number to.
· darelldd · 1 year ago
Yeah... I'm late to the party - but I'm sure that silly 124 mpg is in the same vein as the Volt's 230 mph or whatever it was. Sagebrush has shown that it just can't be achieved once the battery is depleted. I'm sure it can get better than 124 mpg before that point.
But back to what I really want to say: ME WANT. This would be such a great family car. I would SOOOOO love to have one. Might have to mortage my kid though. (hey, everybody else is mortgaging our kids, why shouldn't I do it directly?)
· Priusmaniac (not verified) · 1 year ago
I wonder what kind of acceleration is available in EV mode with such a heavy vehicle and only a 70 hp motor? This can't be good. They have kind of mixed up the relative sizes of the engine and the motor. The diesel should be less than a liter and the motor at least 100 KW. The battery should also be larger to 20 KWh.
· SageBrush · 1 year ago
Nick -- Yeah, 70 mpg in CS would be brilliant, but 200 wh/mile is a pretty gentle drive cycle, even in a Prius. 250 wh/mile was typical of the group that had the Prius PHV for consumer trials, but I'll guess that this car does not have the Prius aerodynamcis and is heavier. So ....
An 80% correction for 250 wh/mile,
A 10% correction for size, weight, and shape
Gives us 70 * .8 * .9 = 50 mpg. That is my final guess :)
Darell -- you had me chuckling with your 'mortgage the kids' comment. And of course, *way* more than a grain of truth in your humor. Cheers!
· SageBrush · 1 year ago
Oh heck, shame on me for not reading NIck's OP carefully. He actually states that the 124 mpg is hybrid mode, but left unstated (though obvious) is that the drive starts with stored battery power. This does indirectly point out that the car can drive in blended mode from the outset, unlike the Volt e.g. which has a CD, then an CS mode. Purists might object and force the car into CD mode, but I'll wager they end up with lower energy efficiency and of course lesser 'performance.'
· FamilyGuy · 1 year ago
Looks awesome with some great stats. Except for the potential price tag and seating capacity. I still want something to seat 4 with storage on a regular basis and have the ability to give up some of the storage space for a third row to fit two more people for a short ride. My kids are getting old enough that one day in the not to distant future, I'll want to be able to bring one of their friends home to play with. Or take the grandparents (in addition to our normal family of 4) to the park or to get an ice cream in one vehicle.
If I give up the fuel efficient dream of seating 6 and had wicked deep pockets, this is something that certainly deserves being looked at. Especially where you can have the AWD and choose between fast or efficient. Awesome....
· Randal (not verified) · 1 year ago
Well, probably all irrelevant to us in the U.S. If I understand the interplay of emission standards, certification requirements, and euro companies' market assessment, we'll never see this over here. Damn shame. How many would fit in a container (2, 3?) Anyone want to go in on a little gray venture?
That said, I think manufacturers' assessment that the market is not sufficient to justify certification (and technical changes to met Nox emissions) is wrong.
But then, I've always been a 5%-er. ( I have a store room with lots of obscure losing candidate signs...)
· SpiralEV · 1 year ago
Wow, that a nice car. I wish I could get one.
· darelldd · 48 weeks ago
Well, the thing is... gas IS $10 a gallon. We just don't pay it all at the pump. Apparently we should, because it makes cars like this affordable!
· Anonymous (not verified) · 40 weeks ago
Well here is an bad omen for all the Volvo fans...this was copied from Swedespeed.
Volvo V60 Still Not Being Considered for North America
Aug 11, 2011 - 2:45:06 PM
We sat down this week with John Maloney, Volvo Cars of North America’s VP of Marketing and Product Planning and current acting President. He’s been running the day-to-day for VCNA since Doug Speck moved to a position in Sweden, and he says the appointment of a permanent replacement should come within a few months.
We asked Maloney the state of a few products and thought we’d share a few quick tidbits. First of all and most disappointing to wagon fans, he maintains that the V60 isn’t being considered for North America, even in its impressive new hybrid form. The company still isn’t interested in giving Americans a chance to like diesels again, and making the hybrid burn gasoline doesn’t have a strong enough business case. As for the normal V60, Maloney just doesn’t see space for it between the S60 and the XC60. Volvo insiders keep telling us XC60 supply still can’t keep up with worldwide demand, so to us, it seems like adding the V60 would be a way to alleviate some of the XC’s excess demand and since it’s just an S60 with a hatch, it’d be very easy to federalize. But still, it won’t happen.
Maloney also spoke briefly of the recent decision to eliminate the S40 and V50 models. He said it wasn’t entirely a decision based on demand, but instead a decision that came because the cars would no longer hold up to US regulations and the cost to modify them so late in the lifecycle wasn’t worth it. Which really, in the end, means demand wasn’t great enough. But he did say that it doesn’t mean we won’t see another smaller Volvo once the next-generation cars show up in a few years. He maintained that the C30 and C70, which were updated more recently, won’t be axed and is happy with their roles in the Volvo range.
The decision to name a new VCNA President is one that’s ongoing and has included candidates both from within and outside of Volvo, including Maloney himself. Since he’s been doing the job well since May, he’s surely a strong candidate and one that we at Swedespeed would support as well. Even if he doesn’t seem ready to lead a station wagon revival a few of us would like to see happen.
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"HYBRID Mode: This is the car's default mode upon start-up in which both the rear-wheel drive electric motor and the front-wheel drive 215 horsepower turbodiesel engine work together. In this mode Volvo claims the car can return 124 miles per gallon and emit less than 49 grams of CO2 per kilometer."
I'll wait for an EPA cycle, because anything less than 200 wh/mile is marketing spin/BS until proven otherwise. For context, the Prius marathoners hit 120 mpg by driving ~ 20 mph on a warmed-up engine with pretty much no brake use.