No, they got this posting and put it in the digital circular file. Lit a stogie and drove off in their Hummer. Because as the Congressman said in WKTEC, "You can do whatever you want in California, just don't bring it into my state because I will fight you tooth and nail to stop you." The EV is a smoke and mirrors proposition to Ford & GM and most of the rest of the ICE makers.
L.A. Housing Inspector Logs First 300 Miles in China's BYD Plug-in Hybrid
Luisito Bacierto, an L.A.-based Section 8 housing inspector, with the BYD F3DM plug-in hybrid.
The threat of a Chinese takeover of the U.S. auto market from—especially in the area of ultra-green plug-in cars—has been discussed for years. BYD, the fast-growing Chinese automaker backed by investment guru Warren Buffet, is the top contender to first break into the market. The big question has been when its first vehicles will start showing up on U.S. roads, and who will be the first U.S. drivers to give a BYD electric car a try.
We now have an answer: Luisito Bacierto, a Section 8 housing inspector, who has been working for the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles (HACLA) for 11 years. BYD delivered 10 of its F3DM plug-in hybrid on Dec. 14, as part of a pilot test program—but so far only Bacierto has logged any significant time behind the wheel. “Not everything [in the test program] has been rolled out,” said Annie Kim, HACLA’s public information officer.
Real-World Range: 50 Miles
Since mid-December, Bacierto has driven 305 miles. His daily route can vary from a few miles, to a round trip journey of more than 50 miles. Almost all of Bacierto’s miles have been in the nearly silent pure electric mode—but on at least a couple of occasions, the F3DM automatically switched from electricity to hybrid mode.
“If the battery is less than 25 percent [state of charge], the vehicle automatically goes from electric to H.E.V., which is the gasoline,” Bacierto said in an exclusive interview with PluginCars.com. “In that situation, it’s a different sound.” He described it as louder, more like a normal car. “It doesn’t bother me.” Bacierto added that the acceleration picks up in H.E.V. mode. “If you are going 55 miles per hour, you see 65 to 75 miles per hour [after it switches].” He said the switchover happened after 50 miles of driving on a full charge. Bacierto said the dashboard shows battery state of charge on a percentage basis—one of the metrics he is logging, in addition to miles driven, charge times, and amount of gasoline consumed.
Part of the fleet of BYD F3DM plug-in hybrids at the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles
According to BYD, the F3DM has 60 miles of all-electric range. Unlike other plug-in hybrids, such as the Chevy Volt, the F3DM is a “dual mode” that allows a driver to manually switch the vehicle between EV and hybrid mode. Bacierto had not tried that manual switch. BYD sees the plug-in hybrid feature as a temporary strategy for its vehicles until drivers become comfortable with an electric vehicle’s driving range. (The company estimates the driving range of its 100-percent electric vehicle, the BYD e6, at 200 miles.)
A couple of weeks ago, on the eve of the 2011 Detroit auto show, Michael Austin, the Chicago-based BYD vice president of marketing and public relations duties, told me that the F3DM dual-model EV/PHEV will cost $28,800. He said that BYD will sell “tens of thousands” of the F3DM and e6 electric models in the United States by 2012.
No Special Charging Equipment
Bacierto described the overall driving experience as “smooth” and “not too fast, not too slow,” and compared the styling of the BYD F3DM to a 1980s Toyota Corolla. He said the charging process was easy. HACLA is not installing special charging equipment, but instead is using standard 220-volt outlets, identical to ones used for a residential clothes dryer, for example. “Part of the appeal of this EV is the fact that we don’t need any special EV charging pedestals or equipment to charge. It’s all standard,” said Rudolf Montiel, HACLA’s president and CEO. “We are ecstatic to partner with BYD to test this fantastic EV fleet technology.”
Trips to Pump: From Twice a Month, to Every Two Months
The team of 40 Section 8 inspectors is responsible for visiting the 45,500 low-income housing units in Los Angeles to make sure the facilities are safe, decent and sanitary. The team of inspectors will eventually use all 10 of the BYD F3DMs on loan with HACLA, instead of the Toyota Priuses that currently make up 100 percent of the fleet. “I don’t know how quickly that transition will be made,” Kim said.
“With the Prius, I was filling up every two weeks,” Bacierto said. “The BYD car had a full tank in the middle of December. Yesterday, it’s a half tank. I haven’t put in gas yet.”
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· Tony Stevens · 1 year ago
· Glacius17 · 1 year ago
Wow! Warren Buffet's investment is lookin strong in these preliminary results. Now if they could just get this car to look better.... and develop a small EV like the Leaf or Focus.... Lets see who wins in the free market!
· Glacius17 · 1 year ago
I wonder what the MPG in HEV mode only is...
· EVNow · 1 year ago
These fleet tests aren't very useful. They should be giving the cars to EV enthusiasts who will use it like normal non-fleet customers use. Take the car for longer rides, switch to ev or hybrid as needed. Looks like the fleet drivers are too conservative ...
· Priusmaniac (not verified) · 1 year ago
A very good news, the BYD F3DM arrival. At last some pragmatic cars and at an affordable price. Just a bit to bad that even some BYD people seem to still make that big mistake to think that plug-in hybrids are temporary when in reality they are here for at least as much time as the pure ICE have been.
· Uvic EcoCar · 1 year ago
This kind of testing is exactly what is required for the transition from non hybrid to electric cars. Having companies who operate vehicle fleets do the majority of the testing it benefits the consumers who want to purchase a hybrid but are waiting for the technology to be refined. BYD also gets to showcase their technology in North America which will force the car companies here to pick up their going green pace. A $28K price tag for a 60 mile range PHEV seems good to me. I wonder if they will actually be able to sell at that price.
· dgpcolorado · 1 year ago
@Priusmaniac, You said:
>Just a bit to bad that even some BYD people seem to still make that big mistake to think that plug-in hybrids are temporary when in reality they are here for at least as much time as the pure ICE have been.<
Really? ICE cars have been around for more than a century. Do you really think that hybrids will last that long? I'd be surprised and disappointed if they did; surely we can come up with something better than oil for ground-based transportation.
But I won't be around in a century (or even a half century) to see if you are correct!
· Priusmaniac (not verified) · 1 year ago
Indeed, I really think they will be around for more then a century even if they will undergo some internal evolution and look more like range extender equiped EV vehicles. The ICE will evolve to burning ethanol, not gasoline. In the same time it will mute to a direct piston engine generator. Finally we could have a replacement of this already very different system by a thermophotovoltaic generator or a direct ethanol fuel cell. All this shoebox size and with a battery able to go 200 miles. But in 2111, we will still have an onboard generator able to change ethanol in electricity. In the same time it will be able to provide some cabin heating.
· JJJ (not verified) · 1 year ago
I also agree that non-electric fuel will be here for a very long time, be it gas, diesel, ethanol, cng or perhaps hydrogen.
While 60-100 miles are enough for daily commutes, people still like to take road trips to the grand canyon, or ski trips up the mountain or maybe an annual drive to the grandmother in florida. Stopping every 3 hours for a 2 hour charge just won't cut it.
It took hybrid cars 10 years to go from 0.....to 2%. Even with $10 gas, it will be a slooooooow process.
· JamesDavis · 1 year ago
With all this knowledge of how dangerous, destructive, depleting, and expensive fossil fuels are and is becoming, we still keep plugging down the same old path. I think President Obama is correct when he said that American business seem to be quickly regressing instead of progressing. Secretary of Energy Chu said that in less than ten years we will have an equal super batter for electric cars that will but fossil fuel vehicles to shame and will be able to recharge in five minutes or less.
It is good to see that fossil fuel loving people, and people who hear only what they want to hear, and people who enjoys regressing, like GM, will always use deceiving verb-garbage to try to hold onto the dead horse for as long as they can.
· Ernie (not verified) · 1 year ago
@JamesDavis:
Regardless of whether a battery pack small enough to fit in a car could ever have 250Kwh capacity (nevermind anyone developing one in 5 years), I'd be scared to see the sort of charger required to fill it in 5 minutes.
250 x 12 = 3000 kw, or 3.0 Mw. That would be the minimum power requirements for such a charger. Even at an insane 1000 Volts, that's still 3000 amps current. The cable would have to be around 4 inches thick. 10,000 volts would only reduce the current to 300 A, which, while doable (the cable would only need to be 1 inch thick), is hardly in the realm of what mere mortal men would refer to as anywhere near safe. That kind of power would probably jump an air gap of well over a foot.
While electric cars are the future and fantastic for the environment, we can't fill them with magic. The real world steps in at some point.
· Anonymous (not verified) · 1 year ago
Hybrids, every engineer like myself knows, are clumsy attempts to
avoid burning gasoline. They have no other purpose and bring with them
overly complicated, expensive and relatively unreliable bushel baskets of
parts. Batteries as of today have the capabilities (why one comment suggested
the need for 250kwhr capacity remains a mystery - that would provide
a driving range for a Volt-weight vehicle of more than 1100 miles. The total driving range of the Volt, electricity plus full gas tank, is barely more than 300 miles). The Fisker Karma, a Volt-type vehicle, and ultra expensive, provides the driver with a paltry 300 miles of total driving range. A Model S with 300 miles and a one hour recharge time is completely adequate and competitive with gas powered vehicles for travelling.
· dgpcolorado · 1 year ago
@Priusmaniac, While a range extender version of a hybrid may be a bit less complex than current versions, a car with an ICE generator is anything but "simple". Lots of moving parts, lots of maintenance. And lots of work for the service departments of car dealers and other car repair shops.
By contrast, a pure EV is "simple".
· Priusmaniac (not verified) · 1 year ago
Note that I mentioned a generator, not an ICE. I know that today that usually mean an ICE driven generator with con-rods or crank shaft but if you have a direct piston generator like the FP3 (freepistonpower.com) or a Thermo photovoltaic generator with no moving part or a direct ethanol fuel cell then it is different. They can be made in a shoebox size and just sit there in a small corner under the hood ready to serve when you really need them.
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