Tesla's new charge port is smaller and slimmer than the J-1772 yet it handles Level 1 and Level 2 AC slow charging as well as DC fast-charging at 90 kW.
Tesla let thousands of guests walk around their factory and see their modern, robotic factory being set up to truly mass-produce automobiles.
Few New Details Emerge from Customer Event about Tesla Model S
Last weekend, Tesla held an event for customers who preordered its upcoming $57,400 Model S sedan. The event was designed to accelerate buzz for the vehicle, which is less than two years away from production. According to Reuters, the main message from Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk was to ask the crowd to "talk up the car."
Customers were not given the opportunity to drive, but the ride from passenger seats was described as very quiet and refined. Beyond the promotion, what concrete items did we learn about Tesla’s second model? Here’s the beginning of a list.
- Tesla will introduce a faster Model S that goes from zero to 60 miles per hour in 4.5 seconds. The basic Model S is already quick at 5.6 seconds from zero to 60.
- Tesla will also offer an S model with aerodynamic wheels that enable 320-mile range—to augment the three previously announced battery ranges: 160 miles, 230 miles, and 300 miles.
- Tesla says the 300-mile range Model S will be able to recharge from empty to full in under an hour thanks to its new direct current external charger. The 90-kilowatt units will be installed by Tesla along freeways. The on-board AC charging will be handled by a single 10-kilowatt charger or two 10-kilowatt chargers.
- As reported by an anonymous post on PluginCars.com, Tesla is not using the J1772 industry-standard plug on the Model S. Tesla believes their smaller unique electrical plug is superior to the adopted industry standard plug—but that it will comes with adapters allowing use of J1772 chargers.
- The Model S’s 17-inch LCD-based center dashboard screen is about three times larger than the 10-inch screens of the iPad and the next-largest car display, the 2009 BMW 7-Series. Currently, it’s a single-finger touch, lacking the multi-touch swipes and gestures of the iPhone and iPad.
- The company plans to unveil its Model X sports utility prototype in December. The Model X is due out in late 2013.
What else did you hear or read that should be added?
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· ex-EV1 driver · 32 weeks ago
· jamcl3 · 32 weeks ago
The availability of multiple Level 2 inputs at 10 kW is a big big deal. This means you can pull into any of thousands of existing RV parks in the US and plug into two NEMA 14-50 outlets simultaneously, charging at a 20 kW rate. There are Chademo stations that only charge at 20 kW. That comes out to something like 80 miles of range per hour of charging? Great with existing infrastructure.
I blogged about the need for multiple power inputs last year:
http://minie458.blogspot.com/2010/12/one-thing-electric-cars-need-most-b...
I will have to update that posting now. But Tesla is only allowing two inputs, not three. Still, it is a giant leap in the right direction. And the availability of three phase is less common than being able to park between two RV outlets.
· ex-EV1 driver · 32 weeks ago
@SVL,
Unfortunately, I suspect you are looking for a low cost EV. As a startup, Tesla is going to have to make as much money as they possibly can as soon as they can. This means they will have to focus on cars with high profit margins until they can manufacture in enough quantity to justify small and low-margin cars.
Folks with tastes like yours are not very common and I suspect you don't expect to pay much either. I doubt that you'll ever see a car smaller that the Leaf built for the US market since it isn't clear one can even break even on that kind of car. You may be able to grab something geared for congested European or Asian cities but it won't be built in the US.
I suppose one of you small car aficionados will have to try to figure out a business case for small cars but I certainly don't see it.
Even the new Mini isn't any where near as mini as the original Mini and it is the larger versions of them that are proving to be the most popular and profitable today.
· Brian (not verified) · 32 weeks ago
@Travisty & SVL: You both commented that this car is not for you. I think the point you're making is that we consumers need more options. The way I see it, this car is another option that is different from the other players. EVs are starting to fill out a much broader cross-section of the market. Keep them coming! At this rate, in a few years there will be an option for all of us.
· Henrik2 (not verified) · 32 weeks ago
Frankly, I will be deeply impressed if Tesla can pull off the Model S sports version by 2012 with those specifications. The 4.5 sec to 60 mph is phenomenal for a car with up to seven seats. The only car of this size I know in the world that can do that is BMW’s 555hp X5M. This BMW starts at 87.000 USD and this will likely also be the price for the 300 mile version of Tesla’s Sports edition.
The 90kW fast charger is also fantastic. It should be most relevant for the 160 mile version of the Model S as the 300 mile version should not need to be charged in public ever for 98% of all its potential customers. At least I can’t remember I have ever driven a car for more than 300 miles in one day. I guess 98% of all drivers would prefer to fly or take a train if they have to go that far in one day.
· Michael Chiacos (not verified) · 32 weeks ago
Isn't the Model S about 1 year from production, not 2? I've heard summer 2012, and later in the year, what have you heard?
· IcanhasEV · 32 weeks ago
Tesla has committed to begin deliveries of Model S to owners in Q2 2012. The first model year of production is expected to be ~5,000 cars.
· Travisty · 32 weeks ago
@Brian
Taking my comment waaaay to far. I think it's great for all of these options coming out and if I could afford a Model S it i'd buy it on the spot - great looking vehicle! (Why I'm excited to see Tesla's ~$30k Bluestar)
For now I'm happily waiting around for my Leaf order to turn from Pending to Shipped. =D
· Tom Moloughney · 32 weeks ago
IcanhasEV: What Tesla committed to and what they will eventually do can be two different things. Do you recall how long after they committed to the roadster deliveries it was before the customers actually got their cars?
Personally I doubt they'll be delivering many model S's (if any) in 2012, and there is simply no way they'll make 5,000 of them in 2012. I love the car, and will quite possibly buy one, so I'm rooting for them all the way. However I just don't believe they'll be in production for at least another year, they just haven't had enough time. Most new cars usually take 4 to 6 years from concept to production, and that's by major OEM's that have seemingly endless resources for R&D. What Tesla is doing here is extraordinary, even if they don't launch until 2013.
· Laurent J. Masson · 32 weeks ago
More aerodynamic wheels giving an extra 20 miles? If true, they should come as standard equipment.
The one hour 90-kWh DC charger sounds great but we shall not expect it to come cheap. Yet I'm impressed and I wonder if that car will live to its expectations and make Tesla a profitable company.
@Henrik2
I can't remember a single month without a road-trip more than 500-km (310 miles) from home. Our commutes are shorter in Europe, but road travel may be longer than in the US.
· Anonymous (not verified) · 32 weeks ago
After seeing the factory and all of the equipment, I have no doubt that deliveries will begin in 2Q 2012. However, production in 2012 will be ramping up. The first production month may yield only 100 cars, then maybe 300, then 600, etc. December's yield may be 1,400 cars. Total cars shipped in 2012 will be 5,000. The average monthly yield for 2013 would have to be 1,650 cars to equal 20,000 cars in total.
· darelldd · 32 weeks ago
> More aerodynamic wheels giving an extra 20 miles? If true, they should come as standard equipment.<
My thought as well. Aero wheels aren't rocket science. My guess is that maybe they aren't as pretty as the standard wheels? Bah. Would it not benefit everybody to standardize on one, more efficient wheel? Oh well. This is why I'm not in marketing.
> Unfortunately, I suspect you are looking for a low cost EV. As a startup, Tesla is going to have to make as much money as they possibly can as soon as they can.<
While SVL may very well be hunting for that cheaper EV, not all of us who want smaller cars are looking to just save money. Personally I'd be happy to pay the same price as the Model S for a car with similar performance and range in a Prius-size package. In fact, I would have reserved one immediately when it was announced all those years ago. This car doesn't cost too much - it is simply too damn big for my needs. I want room around my cars in the garage, and I want to be able to park it in congested urban centers (SF in my case). When I fly somewhere and rent a car, the rental company invariably offer me a free "upgrade" to a huge freaking gas hog that I don't want. I always ask if they could just give me back the difference in rental cost. Nobody has taken me up on that offer yet.
Yes, some of us want a super high-quality *small* car. But the industry doesn't work that way. You want ultra-super-duper? You want a BIG car.
· Tom Moloughney · 32 weeks ago
"After seeing the factory and all of the equipment, I have no doubt that deliveries will begin in 2Q 2012...... Total cars shipped in 2012 will be 5,000"
Believe me I'm hoping that is the case, I just don't think it will happen. If they get 1,000 cars out in 2012 I'm going to do cartwheels!
· SVL (not verified) · 32 weeks ago
@ex-EV1 driver @Brian
I'm not really looking for a cheap car, so as Brian said, we just need more options. In Europe the market for high end superminis (Audi A1, BMW 1 series, Mini...) is quite big. Those cars are compact but do have a lot of options and are far from cheap. That's what I would be looking for in an electric car: small and comfy.
· ex-EV1 driver · 32 weeks ago
@SVL,
There may be hope in Europe for that but I really can't see any significant market in the US though. I may be wrong and it could be interesting to see if something like that sold. It should probably be launched as an ICE first though to reduce the variables.
· darelldd · 32 weeks ago
SVL and I are on the same page!
· ex-EV1 driver · 32 weeks ago
I prefer electric cars so folks can't keep trying to make me squeeze into matchboxes.
I agree that choice is the key issue.
· Priusmaniac (not verified) · 31 weeks ago
With 300 miles of autonomy, there is not much interest left in having a quick charge. At contrary there is a clear interest in making a model C (for cheap) which would keep the 300 miles autonomy, have a simple household 20 A charger, without all the gizmo stuff but at less than 30000 $. One should remember it was the Ford model T that made the difference in the mass production of ICE cars. It was cheap and yet reliable and practical.
· ex-EV1 driver · 31 weeks ago
@Priusmaniac,
Using a 20 A household outlet, it would take about 46 hours to put 300 mile of charge into an electric car. This is dictated by physics.
I still contend that quick charging is important for 300 mile range since that allows one to actually take long trips with an electric car to allow truly sustainable long-distance travel.
· theflew (not verified) · 31 weeks ago
"After seeing the factory and all of the equipment, I have no doubt that deliveries will begin in 2Q 2012"
Given that was the former Nummi plant owned by Toyota and GM I'm sure there is a lot of equipment there. That doesn't mean they've started stamping parts and robots are welding frames. The stamping dyes are millions of dollars to create. What about the extruders to make the frame. Right now the Model S are handmade. I would be surprised to see any volume next year. To do that I would have expected parts of the car coming down the automated lines.
To put this into perspective there were about 50 Volts built in their pre production facility a year before there were rolled out. And 300+ built on the production line 6 months before. I'm not saying Tesla needs to do all that, but you don't go from hand built to automated in a few months with trained workers and documented processes.
· ex-EV1 driver · 31 weeks ago
@theflew,
The main thing Tesla has going for it is they are 100% focused on getting the Model S out. About 90% of GM hoped that the Volt would never get released and the other 10% had to fight them for resources and priorities.
I do agree that Tesla is likely to only have a slow trickle of deliveries in 2012 though. Making an affordable, reliable car is a very difficult task.
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