If somebody gave me $18k to buy a $36k car I would go with it. I mean, I'll settle for $10k too or maybe a full tank of charge. hehe
Despite New Incentives, Chinese Electric Car Market Sputters
GM showed the EN-V concept electric vehicle at the Expo in China in 2010. Now, GM is working on a second generation that will include climate control and personal storage space. Meanwhile, the market for electric vehicles in China is still tiny.
In yet another attempt to jumpstart the sale of battery electric vehicles in China, the government has waived the sales tax on domestically-produced battery-electric and fuel cell vehicles, according to a December 31 announcement on the Ministry of Finance website.
The problem is a lack of battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell vehicles available for consumers to purchase in China. Even if there was availability, “the tax waiver will have a minimal impact on new energy vehicle sales in China,” Paul Gao, a partner with McKinsey & Co. in Shanghai, told PluginCars.com via email.
China has been touted as a leader in promotion of “new energy vehicles or NEVs,” a term which refers to battery-electric, fuel cell, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. But its ambitious plans to grow the sector have run into roadblocks, including lack of technology and Chinese consumers’ unwillingness to buy the vehicles even when they are available. BYD sold only 309 of its e6 battery electric vehicles in the first 11 months of 2011, according to LMC Automotive. While BYD said it had few to offer consumers because of a commitment to provide taxis to the university games held in Shenzhen last year, McKinsey’s Gao said, “The main price barriers are price and perceived lack of technology maturity and infrastructure readiness.”
BYD e6 Taxis
In 2010, China announced it aimed to have 1 million new energy vehicles on the road by 2015—a goal also promoted by President Obama for the EV market in the United States. In recent months, however, China’s leaders have admitted that target was too ambitious, because of the immaturity of battery technology and other barriers. Now, the near-term focus is on hybrids and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles—two areas with a slightly more mature technology.
A sales tax break is not the only incentive the government has thrown at consumers to encourage them to buy new energy vehicles. Subsidies of up to 120,000 yuan (US $18,900) have also failed to attract buyers. Those subsidies—and the sales tax waiver—are applicable only to vehicles that are actually produced in China. Nudged by the government, most of China’s dozens of domestic automakers have announced plans to produce some kind of new energy vehicle though few have actually started production.
Among foreign automakers, General Motors has announced it will develop an electric vehicle with its Chinese partner SAIC. GM also recently announced it is developing a second generation of its EN-V concept, a pod-like two-seater electric vehicle that the company calls “electric urban mobility.” Volkswagen said it may produce several electric vehicles in China starting in late 2013. Ford has also said it may produce electric vehicles with its partner in China.
A 2011 study by market research firm Synovate Motoresearch found that besides concerns about the high price and availability of charging, Chinese consumers worried about replacement parts being too expensive. McKinsey’s Gao added still another concern: “Plus, there is not an established used car market for NEVs, and no ordinary consumer would like to buy something that may depreciate rapidly in value given how fast technology changes.”
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· tterbo · 16 weeks ago
· alt-e · 16 weeks ago
@ Alysha - China Daily can quote individual salesman and individual customers saying they won't buy, but that doesn't prove a thing. Lots of people wouldn't buy any specific car model that you care to mention. The only way to tell if someone would buy them or not is to have them available for sale and see if anyone wants to buy them. Or start a waiting list.
· tterbo · 16 weeks ago
Not to change the topic too much, but did you guys see this. It's an idea for inductive freeways. The best part, check out the publication date. :D
· Paul Bardinas (not verified) · 16 weeks ago
I'm sorry but this article is exactly the non-sense auto mnufacturers want you to believe. I live in the US and have been waiting for a mass production EV car for a decade. When I heard the Nissan Leaf was available I ran down to my local dealer to buy 2. The dealer had no cars for sale. They did have a demo, that only one person could answer questions about. There was no incentive on the part of the dealer or salesman forced to waste his time with me to sell the car. They have 600 cars on the lot that they need to sell and that the saleman canmake commission on. Despite that I told them I wanted 2. No one in the dealership new how to order my cars. I was finally told I needed to go home and reserve a car on-line. The dealer estimated I may have to wait 90 days or more to actually get my car. With a sales strategy like that it's no wonder there is no demand! I wonder if Apple would sell iPads if that was their strategy?
This has been the strategy of the big oil and the automakers for 3 decaded now. When California mandated electric vehicles the story was the same. Long waiting lists, lease only, no rebates from the dealer, lawsuits from both automakers and big oil. Their excuse for killing the technology... no demand! I failed to mentioned that while trying to buy my 2 Leafs all the salesman kept pointing out was the limited range (100 miles), the in home assessmet for charging station, and sounds of the road no longer masked by an engine. WOW!! I don't every recall a saleman trying to sell me a pickup truck touting the poor fuel mileage, expensive oile changes, high property tax, or other downsides. The whole entire alternative fuel initiative is a joke to these guys. The goal is to string us along with promises while setting it up for failure. The cars they design all look like golf carts when the technology and design is clearly there for making these cars more appealing (see GasHole). They options are limited in comparisson to gas cars, no wonder there's no demand.
· alt-e · 16 weeks ago
@tterbo - That document on inductive charging is a great find. I especially like how it says "Reference Only - Do Not Remove from Library". That is basically how the idea of an inductive highway has been treated to date.
But the experience base is already out there with inductive powering on the fly for trains and buses. That experience just needs to be repackaged into an underneath conductor instead of an overhead conductor. And since the grid is overdue for a facelift, the two projects could be done at the same time to save money.
It is actually the technically easiest way to get to a zero emission transportation network but since the government would need to pay for and organize it, it is the most politically difficult path. And given how messed up our pollitical system is right now, it is the method that no one is even talking about.
But it would be so much cheaper to do than originally building the highway system was. We just seem to collectively lack the ambition to do big projects that are in the common interest.
· ex-EV1 driver · 16 weeks ago
@Paul Bardinas,
Keep the faith. Those who have invested in gasoline, internal combustion engines, and transmissions won't push cars that won't provide return on their current investments.
You and clearly a lot of others really do know the truth so keep pushing for the right thing.
EV buying will not be the same as commodity gasoline cars for a long time. It is a whole lot easier this year than it was 2 years ago when, except for the $100K supercars proving it could be done, there were no choices at all except to build them yourself.
· PeterMartin · 16 weeks ago
A very different design of the car only for the single person. This type of models are only looks good in the auto show and exhibition and none of any use.
Honda Motorcycle
· alt-e · 16 weeks ago
@ PeterMartin - If you are refering to that blue vehicle at the top of the page not being of any use, I disagree.
It looks like once you get somewhere you can do your laundry in the car :)
· Anonymous (not verified) · 10 weeks ago
getting achina is now dominating the world. maybe next time they will dominate also the auto repair world.
· Breighton (not verified) · 9 weeks ago
I think that our world needs to be patient with the development of electric cars. Regardless of tax incentives, I don't think people will buy them because they aren't very mainstream yet. Parts might be expensive for repairs, there aren't many places to charge your car, etc. are all important factors that people will take into account if buying something like this. I also don't feel that the business tax incentives are substantial enough. It seems to really limit the choice of cars for people to buy and doesn't seem to save them a whole lot of money. I think that we should either be patient or start offering more incentives to go electric.
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Wait a minute. I agree that BYD has priced the e6 too high in China and that the Chinese consumer has been skeptical about anything that isn't a traditional Buick.
But keep in mind what the article above says that BYD's take on them only selling 309 cars to consumers in 2011 is: "BYD said it had few to offer consumers because of a commitment to provide taxis to the university games held in Shenzhen last year."
So BYD is implying they didn't sell more EVs to consumers because all the EVs they had were committed to taxi buyers. We cannot call that a lack of demand. And keep in mind that BYD only started selling the e6 to consumers in October or so. So we are really only talking about 3 months or so of sales. And the first 3 months. During which time they may have sold all the EVs they had.
So I think it would be good to hear how many e6's BYD plans to make in 2012 and how many of those they think will be available for the public in China to buy. I think that it is likely that just like every other EV manufacturer in 2012, BYD will probably make a limited number and the demand will not really be tested in 2012.
There are plenty of analysts in the US, China and everywhere who are negative about future EV sales, but they really don't have much to go on as the demand for EVs has never been really tested anywhere.
That being said, BYD does really need to work on lowering their price. Which they should be able to do given the design of their vehicle and details of their battery pack.