Are Journalists Trying to Kill the Electric Car?

By Nick Kurczewski · March 08, 2013

Nissan Leaf

A Nissan LEAF came within 0.8 miles of making a round-trip voyage from Manhattan to Jones Beach park. The Wall Street Journal writer compared the Nissan breaking down to the "last mile" walk from death row to the execution chamber.

It’s not polite to talk about politics or religion amongst unfamiliar company. Judging from recent controversies and, in some instances, protracted legal battles, you might add discussing the pros and cons of electric vehicles to this list. The debate concerning the practicality of electric vehicles has spread like wildfire across the web, from the pages of The New York Times to across the Atlantic Ocean, where a BBC film crew was accused of scripting the ‘breakdown’ of two electric sports cars. Photos and video of EVs being pushed or towed to only add extra fuel to the argument. Are electric vehicles simply not ready for the type of real-world testing conducted by journalists? Or are the vehicles being misrepresented and, in some cases, purposefully misused in the hope of generating a scoop? Here’s a look at some of the most memorable, and contentious, journalist-meets-EV misadventures.

A New Term Enters Lexicon: Brodering

You know things are getting ugly when an automaker proposes that a journalist’s last name should be used as a term for “purposefully or with willful ignorance” running down an EV’s battery. Nowhere has the EV debate gotten more heated than in recent the war of words between Silicon Valley-based Tesla Motors and The New York Times. In case you’ve been living under a rock, or have been preoccupied with the Harlem shake, the saga began earlier this year when a journalist John Broder, a political and environmental writer for The New York Times, attempted to drive a Tesla Model S from the suburbs of Washington D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. The drive was as much a test of Tesla’s network of Supercharger stations as it was the electric-powered luxury sedan.

A photo of the Model S being loaded onto a flatbed tow truck, its battery having run flat well short of its date in Beantown, spread like wildfire across the web. Many in the electric car community believed the drive was rigged, that Mr. Broder chose not to follow simple instructions to maximize driving range—such as turning down the cabin heat and recharging for longer periods of time. Tesla’s founder and CEO, Elon Musk, issued a scathing attack on the story and called into question the legitimacy of the entire test. In his response posted online, Mr. Musk bluntly stated that “when the facts didn’t suit his opinion, [Mr. Broder] simply changed the facts.”

As you’d expect, The New York Times bristled at the suggestion that journalistic ethics had been compromised to create a juicier story. After the initial verbal tit-for-tat, all available data was reviewed, including the car’s onboard diagnostics, and the Times issued a response that it stood by Mr. Broder and his review of the car. Some have countered Tesla’s surprisingly sharp criticism with the suggestion that you shouldn’t need an engineering degree to complete a drive from Point A to Point B. A more measured response by Tesla, stating that some range-saving techniques weren’t employed during this now fateful EV drive, could have arguably brought the controversy to a muted conclusion. Yet proposing a journalist “Brodered” an EV does, after all, make for a better story.

Tesla Loses Libel Suit Against BBC

Top Gear Tesla Roadster

Top Gear was accused of staging the breakdown of two Tesla Roadsters back in 2008. A script of the electric sports car running out of power was apparently penned before the drive.

This isn’t the first time Tesla Motors has countered the legitimacy of a journalist’s test drive. Top Gear, the BBC’s hugely popular automotive-themed program, prides itself on entertainment value and wild test-drives—not to mention the sharp and sometimes scathing wit of its host, Jeremy Clarkson. But Tesla said the show’s producers went out of the way to portray its high performance Roadster model as having run out of battery power. One of two Roadsters used in the episode, which originally aired in 2008, was filmed being pushed back into a garage having supposedly run out of charge. Where was the second Roadster? Well, that one was apparently already sidelined by a problem with its brakes. Top Gear’s opinion of the high performance was, to put it mildly, not what you’d call glowing.

According to Tesla, however, the pair of Roadsters always had more than 20 percent of charge remaining. The braking issue, like the dramatic loss of battery power, was all a carefully orchestrated fabrication made to make the episode more exciting. A representative of Tesla Motors’ U.K. said he’d even caught site of a script before filming had begun, with the entire breakdown scene and comments about the car’s failure all neatly laid out before the drive. Was it true that Top Gear pulled strings behind the scenes in order to orchestrate a better show and harm the image of the fledgling automaker?

The British legal system apparently didn’t think so.Tesla recently had its libel case against Top Gear tossed out of court. Despite Tesla’s claims that the episode directly impacted sales in the U.K., the court decided against the lawsuit and said “reasonable” viewers would not have been misled by the test drive.

Wall Street Journal Not Ready To Turn New LEAF

Another EV test drive leads to, you guessed it, yet another date with a towing company. This time the victim, or culprit (we’ll let you decide), is Naureen Malik, a writer for the Wall Street Journal who didn’t quite complete an estimated 75-mile round-trip voyage from Manhattan to Jones Beach State Park. Theoretically, the LEAF, which has an estimated range of 80-100 miles, should have made the journey with a few miles to spare. To the car’s credit, this time the drama unfolded only 0.8 miles away from its recharging roost back in the city, with nary a tow truck needed to haul it off the streets of trendy SoHo. Instead, the car died, leading Ms. Malik to colorfully refer to the “last mile” of electric driving range as being comparable to walking from death row to the execution chamber.

While stalling out in New York traffic is not high on anyone’s bucket list, comparing the electric power that (nearly) provided enough zero emission motivation for a beach visit, to something that will pump a gazillion kilowatts into your cranium seems, at best, a tad severe.

Nissan Leaf

Top Gear was at it again, this time staging a failed attempt to drive 60 miles in a Nissan LEAF. Data logs showed the car only started with 40 miles of charge.

Top Gear EV Breakdown, Take Two!

The Nissan LEAF makes a second appearance in our list of drained EVs, as does the BBC series Top Gear. If you can believe Jeremy Clarkson actually pays a barber to make his hair look the way it does, well, then you might believe the episode in which a LEAF runs out of battery power after only 60 miles. The only problem is that the show’s hosts, including the curly coiffed Clarkson, all somehow forgot to mention the trip began with roughly 40-percent of battery charge. That would halve the Nissan’s normal driving range to only 40-50 miles, at best, and well short of the final destination.

Except Top Gear apparently didn’t stop there, in a manner of speaking. Data logs indicated the car was driven in loops to further drain the battery and make certain it died on cue. Top Gear’s response to the entire affair has centered on the show’s entertainment value. We’ll wager that Nissan, not to mention LEAF owners and EV enthusiasts, was not amused by the staged antics.

Unfortunately, this list is most likely not finished. When will the next journalist publish a shot of an EV on the back of a flat bed, and describe the misadventures of running of juice?

About the author

Nick Kurczewski is an automotive journalist based in New York who has contributed to The New York Times, Road&Track, Edmunds.com, Car&Driver, Delta Sky and many other well-respected automotive and mainstream publications in the United States, Asia and the U.K. Raised in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Westfield, New Jersey, Nick transferred his long-time passion for cars into a successful ...

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Comments

· Benjamin Nead · 10 weeks ago

Q: "Are Journalists Trying to Kill the Electric Car?"

A: Yes . . . at least some of them do.

On an almost daily basis, I do a Google search with the words "electric cars" and comb through page after page. It can slowly drive you crazy, but you start to observe some trends over the long run.

I started to notice a significant uptick in anti-EV news features and editorials last summer, just as election coverage and the contentious issue of government green technology funding was getting a close examination. Only a year or two earlier there were far more optimistic articles on EVs and, notably, more articles on cutting-edge battery research and it's relationship to EVs.

While not as prevalent today as before the election, the anti-EV rhetoric in the press is still there. As you point out in your examination of the possible slant in EV journalism, Nick, we now witness a more sophisticated form of this, where the journalist purposely goes out of their way to make the electric car fail while it is being analyzed . . . improperly charging it (ie: Broderizing) or driving it such a way as to simply ask the EV to go beyond what any well informed driver would otherwise put it through.

While one can argue that this sort of "I don't need to actually read the owner's manual before I break it" machismo is an American thing, it also, apparently, extends across the Atlantic, to the Top Gear crew, who don't like the facts to get in the way of a good story.

· valkraider · 10 weeks ago

According to this: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/RUFPP/docs/ItemG_EVRegCounty.pdf

My Tri-county metro area had 870 registered 100% electric cars as of September of last year. I am going to assume that the over 5 months since then has led to another 130 sales. Lets say there are 1000 pure electric vehicles in my area...

If these news reports are to be believed, it would seem that my streets should daily be littered with EVs that have dead batteries.

I drive around many LEAFs every day but have never seen one disabled.

Anecdotal, I know - but so are these news articles...

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

Well, only the "failed EV" stories make the news...

The good stories about BEVs don't make headlines...

Journalist have known to make headlines and sell "papers" instead of reporting news or truth, these days...

· gorr · 10 weeks ago

To benjamin nead, I must admit that me too i like to bash ev to make a good story, It's only because i like to write so im making emotional post for fun but really i don't like bev as i live in cold climate where the battery is strangled by cold and heating. But the volt is a better concept an on local tv the journalists coverage was good. It is a different more serious ( but less entertaining ) program then top gear. Probably these journalist were testing the range to the maximum and they have the time to do so as they are paid . A consumer has a more serious way of driving and is not paid to get struck empty on the road.

The only place i write post is in car blogs as i like this subject and im looking for casual freindships. I tried facebook and twitter and the postings were like empty and ble bla bla nothing.

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

I own a Nissan Leaf and I love it. We live in Leavenworth Kansas and drive back and forth to Kansas City on a regular basis. I have never ran out of charge. Why? Because I'm not a moron.
I pay 6 cents a kwh for electricity and it costs $1.46 to “fill up” my car. There are over 50 charging stations in Kansas City and most are free. I have never paid more than $21 for electricity in a single month. I drive the car about 1200 miles a month. I pay $178 a month for my lease. I was paying over $300 a month for gas in my Dodge Durango. I will never replace an air filter, oil and filter, muffler, spark plugs, alternator; clutch; fuel filter; fuel injectors and pump; motor mounts; O2 sensors; power steering fluid ; radiator and assorted pipework; serpentine belt; spark plug wires; starter motor; thermostat; timing belt; transmission or anything to do with regular transmissions (adjustment, fluids, filters) and a water pump again.
My Leaf is very fast and I can beat most gas cars off the line at stop lights. It has the power to zip into traffic from on ramps to highways with ease. The power and torque is immediate with an electric motor.
While driving the Leaf, I do not support terrorists (like the ones from Saudi Arabia that attacked us on 9/11). I support my Country by using totally American energy. My car can run on wind, coal, hydroelectric, solar, nuclear etc. A gas car will only and always run on gas. I am supporting American workers because the Leaf and its’ batteries are built here in America at the Nissan plant in Smyrna Tennessee.
I love the way the car drives, how quiet it is, how much room it has inside and the feeling of freedom I get by knowing that I am not tied to a pump and a slave to oil companies. The car has every tech gadget I could ever want including back up camera, GPS, XM radio, blue tooth and voice recognition. The car can even text me if I forget to plug it in at a certain time or when it is done charging. It also honks the horn if I put too much air in the tires.
These cars are getting better and more affordable every year. More and more charging stations are being installed daily. Home charging stations are getting cheaper as well and can be purchased at Home Depot and other such stores.
Many of these articles are written by lazy people who don’t bother to get the real story. Their information is old or flat out wrong and the writer usually has little to no experience with electric cars.
Do your own research and most importantly, go test drive an electric car and see if it works for you. It might not but if it does you will be a very happy camper. Speaking of camping, you can also plug an electric car in at RV sites :)

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

"My Leaf is very fast and I can beat most gas cars off the line at stop lights. It has the power to zip into traffic from on ramps to highways with ease. "

I agree that electric cars have instant torque and smooth power. But let us NOT kid ourself with the Leaf performance... It is NOT a Tesla. It is NOT even a Volt.

Its 0-60mph time is worse than a standard Prius. It is ONLY fast for the 0-30mph which is only good enough for city street. Once you get to 40mph, it runs of power and torque. That just further proves that Leaf is a city car... I have test drove the Leaf many times. Until 2013 model, its regen sucked. You have to be in Eco mode for max regen. In sports mode, it is out of power around 40mph and it doesn't corner or brakes as well as Volt. In fact, I haven't seen a single Leaf that drives faster than 70mph in Northern California...

If Leaf was half as good as a Tesla S, it would have sold millions of units by now...

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

How about we not talk out of the part we sit on?

"Its 0-60mph time is worse than a standard Prius."

2012 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid 0-60 mph 10.9

2011 Chevrolet Volt 0-60 mph 8.9

2011 Nissan Leaf 0-60 mph 7.9

"I haven't seen a single Leaf that drives faster than 70mph in Northern California"

I haven't seen a single Volt going faster than 65 mph here in Kansas, but that doesn't mean it can't go faster. In fact that means squat.

"If Leaf was half as good as a Tesla S"

How about we not talk out of the part we sit on?

"Its 0-60mph time is worse than a standard Prius."

2012 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid 0-60 mph 10.9

2011 Chevrolet Volt 0-60 mph 8.9

2011 Nissan Leaf 0-60 mph 7.9

"I haven't seen a single Leaf that drives faster than 70mph in Northern California"

I haven't seen a single Volt going faster than 65 mph here in Kansas, but that doesn't mean it can't go faster. In fact that means squat.

"If Leaf was half as good as a Tesla S"

If a Leaf was half as good as a Tesla S it would cost $55,000 instead of $30k.

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

@Mark Higley,
How about you lay off the crack pipe that you are smoking.
Maybe you need to learn to read and source your data.
I guess you don't understand the difference between a Plugin Prius and a "standard Prius".
Show me the source where Leaf does 0-60mph in 7.9 second... I am sure it is from the same source that quoted 100 mile EV range or those so called "unofficial" numbers. That is no different from the joke that Leaf can beat a Porsche.... Oh nevermind, you probably sourced it from the zeroto60time.com which doesn't do any verification of the numbers except quoting from random sources. Seems to match your comments...

Here are two samples of reviews. One from Motortrend and One from Car and Driver.

Motortrend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1108_2011_chevrolet_volt...

In this Motortrend testing, the Leaf was the slowest to 60mph(9.7sec), lowest top speed, worst handling, worst braking... The only good part was the 0-30mph...

Car and Driver,

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-nissan-leaf-sl-long-term-road-t...
Leaf 0-60mph takes 10 seconds.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-chevrolet-cru...
Volt 0-60mph takes 8.8 seconds. Another test from 2011 shows Volt does at least 9.2 secs in 0-60 by Car and Driver.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-chevrolet-volt-full-test2011-ch...

Car and Driver has Leaf at 10 sec and no better.

Even edmunds.com confirmed the 10 sec in 0-60mph time in their own test. http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/leaf/2012/#fullreview

So, my 3 sources against 1 of your "unknown" source. Like I said, the only site anywhere list 7.9 is from zeroto60.com which is NOT a credible source at all since they don't disclose where they "sourced" their information from. They just claim they do and they don't verify or test their own cars... But that is okay. Since I don't expect you to know better...

Also a Tesla S starts around $60k. The lowest Leaf starts around $28k. Nuff said there. Top of the line $100K Tesla S has 3x the range, 3x the power and cost 3x...

Maybe I shouldn't waste time with you since you can't even tell the difference between Prius Plugin and "Regular Prius"....

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

@· Phil Forrest,

Maybe it is a good thing to list that information since Leaf owners make stupid statements so often without checking on facts at all...

As far as "burn" goes, it is best to keep the Leaf away since their battery definitely can't handle the heat...

As far as a EV goes, Leaf 's battery is about the worst design in cooling. Even the Prius plugin and Honda Fit at least come with fans to cool their battery...

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

"I haven't seen a single Volt going faster than 65 mph here in Kansas, but that doesn't mean it can't go faster. In fact that means squat."

It means two things.

1. Leaf's top speed is lower.
2. Leaf owners don't like to call tow truck b/c once they cruise at 70mph, their battery don't even get their EPA rating of 75 miles...

Lay off the crack pipes. Leaf is a good car, but don't make it sound like the BEST car out there. It is far from it. If it is really all that, they wouldn't have to offer $189/month leasing deal to get rid of it...

Don't even get me started on that look...

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

Only a joker would compare a Leaf with a Durango...

That is like comparing a cat with a bear... Then again, I am not surprised since that person couldn't even tell the difference between a regular Prius and PIP...

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

Take a pill mmf. You're starting to come off like a nutball.

My opinion is that a Prius (any model) is a dog. It's loud, it's slow and it feels cheap to me inside.

The Volt is ok but I don't need the gas.I get where I need to go without it. I don't like having little to no staorage area and I need five seats. As far as "their battery don't even get their EPA rating of 75 miles..." goes, they have these things called charging stations and there is no rule that says you can't go farther than 75 miles. Maybe you need to check your source data on that one?

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

And yes, the Tesla is a far superior car. DUH.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

Are Journalists trying to kill the Electric Car?

I really don't think so, and I'm usually no big fan of Journalists.

The NY times reporter was victim of a design defect apparently even Tesla was unaware of.

Two: I've been around & around on this on InsideEv's.com. TopGear seemed to in my mind do a fair review of the Tesla Roadster. Any negativity I chalk up to perfunctory British Arrogance.

Three: I'm not familiar with the Nissan Test Drive, but even Nissan says typical range could be as low as 60 miles depending on conditions. Therefore, making a 75 mile test drive is chancy. Not surprising the car ran out at 74 miles.

Some writers on here think running down the 244 mile Tesla roadster battery in 55 miles is impossible and therefore the report must be faked, since "We all know thats inaccurate". Well, not trying to pull rank here, but I'm a pretty mechanically inclined guy, and I can in my mind's eye visualize what is happening. Anyone who states that battery drain can be greatly more than the average during hard driving condtions must not know how cars work in general let alone how batteries and machines work in even the most general case.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

correction: can't instead of can

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

"Only a joker would compare a Leaf with a Durango..."

So I'm not allowed to compare to compare the vehicle I was driving with the one I have now? Calm down. Breathe. It's gonna be ok.

· bytrain · 10 weeks ago

MMF - The fact that you haven't seen a LEAF do more than 70 mph means nothing. I'm here in Northern California too and commute daily in my LEAF. To keep from holding up the carpool lane, I drive 70-75 mph every morning. I'm routinely up to 80. And in two years of driving my LEAF, there's only been one car that I wanted to beat off the line that I couldn't and it was a VW turbo diesel. My 21,000 miles of driving have not visibly degraded the battery and my 35 mile daily commute costs me about $0.60. Now I'd obviously be driving a Model S if I could, but until such time as I discover precious works of art in my attic (not likely since I'm the original home owner) I'll be more than happy with my more than adequate LEAF.

· Jiminy · 10 weeks ago

Who needs journalists when you have ModernMarvelFan...

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

"My opinion is that a Prius (any model) is a dog. It's loud, it's slow and it feels cheap to me inside.".

Sure, that is true. I certainly will never buy one. The fact was about performance. Most sane Prius owners will never make comments such as this: "My Leaf is very fast and I can beat most gas cars off the line at stop lights". They know their Prius is all about efficiency and they never made stupid statement such as that. But I have seen plenty of Leaf owners making the statement about how fast their Leaf is and they are just adding fuel to fire for those ICE owners to laugh their arse off... Especially the statement such as that "my Leaf can beat a Porsche"... I am glad that you didn't go that far. But let us face it. Leaf is a very efficient car and a decent and afforable BEV. Please spare from saying how fast it is comparing to ICE cars. That is just NOT true. In fact, just about every midsize family sedan with V-6 or 4 cyclinder can blow Leaf away in 1/4 mile. Is Leaf a dog? No. But it is NOT sports car either. It is faster than some slow hybrids such as old Insight, Civic hybrid or small cars such as Smart or Spark... We don't need silly hype on something that is NOT true...

"The Volt is ok but I don't need the gas.I get where I need to go without it. I don't like having little to no staorage area and I need five seats."

Sure, Volt is NOT for you, but it is a great plugin. Especially when weather is bad. In fact, its battery and e-powertrain is even better designed than the Leaf. It is more powerful, faster, liquid cooling/heating. Longer warranty on the battery. AC induction motor and better regen than 2011/2012 Leaf... That is something that Leaf lacks and needs to improve. I don't see Nissan doing anything about those area... That is probably why Volt has been the sales leader in majority of the 2012 and YTD in the US.

"As far as "their battery don't even get their EPA rating of 75 miles..." goes, they have these things called charging stations and there is no rule that says you can't go farther than 75 miles. Maybe you need to check your source data on that one?"

I did, it is called EPA rating on per battery charge. That is an agressive one at that. With cold winter and heat use and so called hwy cruising (above 70mph), you will be even lucky to get that range. Sure, your Leaf might work okay in the flat land of Kansas, but take it to CO or CA for once and climb some hills, see if you get that 70miles range per charge.

Sorry to break your bubble, charging stations aren't exactly ideal yet. If you are lucky and got a lot of time to kill, sure you can go longer. But if you don't, you will get stuck. I guess you must be new here. Here is a story on what happened when a Leaf driver tried to get more range by depending on charging stations....(plugincars.com).

http://www.plugincars.com/why-ev-charging-companies-need-notification-sy...

It is NO brainer that Tesla is Superior. But I said if the Leaf is half as good, it would have sold millions...

At the current Leaf of $28K, if it can have 150 mile real world range, 150hp, 0-60 in 8 seconds, looks half as decent as Tesla and with liquid cooled/heated battery with a decent fast charger, it would have already sold millions of them....

BTW, comparing anything is your choice. But to make a case for Leaf b/c you want to demostrate how efficient an EV is, then compare to the best of them, NOT the worst of them. Durango is about one of the worst car you can buy... Compare it with a Versa or a Prius might have made some sense. And cars such as Versa or Prius don't need many of the so called replacement in your list: "I will never replace an air filter, oil and filter, muffler, spark plugs, alternator; clutch; fuel filter; fuel injectors and pump; motor mounts; O2 sensors; power steering fluid ; radiator and assorted pipework; serpentine belt; spark plug wires; starter motor; thermostat; timing belt; transmission or anything to do with regular transmissions (adjustment, fluids, filters) and a water pump again."

Typically, a Prius will never need any of the stuff you mentioned except for oil and filter and air filter until 100K miles. In fact, it is probably your Durango experience that led you to those insane belief. @ 100K miles, your battery would have degraded to at least 70% of your original capacity... You should look up some of those Japanese Leaf Taxi story and see what happens when those battery age...

Anyway, It is a long story. I know you love your Leaf. I am glad that you do. As most of the regular posters here know that I support EV movement and most of the plugin cars. I own one myself and have been defending EVs for a long time. I actually do like the Leaf and plan to buy an used one in few years when the massive Off-Lease Leaf are available. But please keep your foot on the ground and be realistic. The last thing that EV communitiy needs is someone who is "blindly" EV supporter who can't be realistic about EVs. That will only give EV community a bad image. We should be able to see both Pros and Cons so we can work together to improve the products that we have today. None of them are even close to be perfect. That includes Tesla. As good as it is, it has some work to do still and it needs to cut that price tag as well.

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

MMF: I can tell you're an EV guy but calling other EV owners stupid because they don't conform to your idea of an acceptable critique of the LEAF is not going to win you many friends IMO. Your original comment "It is ONLY fast for the 0-30mph which is only good enough for city street." is what set me off. I drive my LEAF on the highway five times a week. Who are you to tell me that I can't use my car the way I do every day and be happy about it?

As far as the link you posted as to the person running out of juice: I don't run out of juice because I have a back up plan (or two or three) and I don't put myself in the position that person did. That does not have to happen. It's called planning. No, we can't be thoughtless, mindless EV drivers yet. The infrastructure isn't there. It takes thought but that's ok for me. Our charging stations in Kansas City are free. I can think for free.

I have been driving EVs since 2006. I'm an active member of my local EAA chapter. I have supported EVs for a number of years and I don't feel I am misrepresenting the LEAF in any way. I'll give you the 0-60 times but aside from that I think you are trying to pick a fight where none was needed.

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

@bytrain,

"To keep from holding up the carpool lane, I drive 70-75 mph every morning. I'm routinely up to 80. "

That is great. I sure hope more LEAF drivers will be like you. Apparently, you don't have to worry about getting 75miles range at that speed... I think it is also a great service that you are doing to prove to the world that EVs aren't just for "slow people". I certainly hope that EVs can stay out of the steorotype that Hybrids such as Prius have...

"And in two years of driving my LEAF, there's only been one car that I wanted to beat off the line that I couldn't and it was a VW turbo diesel."

Again, another silly statement. "off the line"? What happens with it hitting 40mph? most of the time, other drivers aren't "racing" you. EVs are quiet so it is easy to "sneak up" someone else... But if they are actively trying to beat you, then you won't have a chance after 40mph... You are quick off the line b/c Leaf is light and has a lot of torque. That is the natural advantage of electric motor. But the gearing of the Leaf also gives you lower top speed and that is why you are running out of power at higher speed and efficiency. That is something you can't avoid with DC motors used in the Leaf unless you use multi-speed transmission....

Again, I have provided the links on speed. Leaf is decent quick in 0-30mph, but after that, it runs out of power...

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

@ Jiminy
"Who needs journalists when you have ModernMarvelFan"

I certainly tell the EVs as they are. I don't sugarcoat their disadvantages like the EV fanastics. I also don't bash their disadvantages like those oil lovers... I tell them as they are. They are the future, but the current solutions are FAR FROM PERFECT. So, I do think I am better than most of those so called "journalists". I also have a graduate level electrical engineering degree from one of the top 5 engineering school in the country. I also drive a plugin car and have been supporting the spread of EVs in my local community as well as my work place. In fact, I have been telling people to buy Leaf and Volt at my work. 3 of my co-workers have done so after my recommendation. So, I consider myself as a strong supporter of EVs.

At the same time, I am also sick and tired of the unrealistic fanastic approach that many EV owners take. Instead of working on the "facts" and explain to people what EVs are really about, people get all worked up about singing only praises and trying to bash any negative critism against EVs. That kind of attitude will only isolate the EV movement. I have seen plenty of Leaf owners discriminate against other Plugins or trying to boast their cars just b/c they bought a BEV. The public should know the facts. Not the kind of facts that EV haters produces or EV fanastic preaches. It is just facts. EVs aren't perfect but they are 1 step in the right direction. They are okay for some people, not enough for others. They will get better and cheaper in the long term. In the mean time, any multi-car family should check them out. If it is sufficent fo their need, then with the low price Leaf Lease, they should get one for themselves. If they worry about range, then get a Volt. If they need something bigger, get a C-Max Energi...

Just stop telling people how fast the Leaf is, especially how much faster it is than a Porsche. It is just NOT true.

· ModernMarvelFan · 10 weeks ago

@Mark Higley,

"I can tell you're an EV guy but calling other EV owners stupid because they don't conform to your idea of an acceptable critique of the LEAF is not going to win you many friends IMO"

Sorry to burst your bubble. I never intended to win friends. I got enough of them already. I certainly would correct any of my friends' dumb statements. I hate wrong/incorrect statements...

"It is ONLY fast for the 0-30mph which is only good enough for city street." is what set me off. I drive my LEAF on the highway five times a week. Who are you to tell me that I can't use my car the way I do every day and be happy about it"

I never said you won't be happy about it. But don't tell me that it is fast. There are many happy Smart or Spark owners out there, but those are some of the SLOWEST cars available on the market. If they are telling me that they are faster than most ICE cars out there, I would correct them too. Even if they are my friends.

And just so you know, I have defended Leaf and other BEVs on many of the comment sections or groups that I have visited. But one thing I can't defend them on is the speed part. There are many Leaf owners who go on the web and claiming how fast their Leaf are against many ICE gear heads. Guess what? it just makes the entire EV community looks like a bunch of fools. Fools who doesn't know anything about cars... I don't like that. I don't think all EVs supporters are fools. In fact, I don't even those Leaf owners are fools. I just think those statements are false and it is "stupid" to repeat that over and over again all over the web...

Instead of arguing for "how fast" Leaf is, owners should focus on the facts. Leaf is 2x more efficient than Prius (bench mark of hybrid). It is almost 3x cheaper to operate than Prius (depending on electricity rate). It has a no brainer cheap Lease rate which is a great way to try it out without worrying about battery life. It is super quiet and has a lot of torque. Its smooth powertrain will give you a much more luxury experience than ICE cars in comparable size.

You don't have to agree with those points. But I would think facts are better than foolish comment...

· Ad van der Meer · 10 weeks ago

Are Journalists trying to kill the Electric Car?

Most of them are not, I'd say Very few of them make a good try to do exactly that and some are just plain lazy.

It's not easy being a journalist, especially for the ones writing for the printed press. Ad incomes are down, editors are screaming for stories that catch the eye and increase sales. Many newspapers have been bought by investors who demand return and are willing to cut costs to the bone. If you want to make a difference in this world you need a story every now and than that catches on like a wildfire or you just need volume. Usually that means quantity over quality.
In case of the car industry it often results in copy pasting press releases by the manufacturers to create volume. If that doesn't cut it anymore you can always try and create a story that fuels the sentiment of the moment. Result? Exploding Volt batteries, GM sells every Volt with $40k loss. Other stories by Top Gear and Mr. Broder are in the article.
Let's be realistic. Journalism is a business and they are trying to sell us their product. Like with any other product we need to be aware that some salesmen are in the business to make money and nothing else. There is no passion for the profession, words like eitiquette and integrity are meaningless to these people as those words often stand in the way of their quest to make "easy" money.
Conclusion: I don't watch Top Gear for advice on cars. I don't watch Fox News for ...well anything really.

· Mark Higley · 10 weeks ago

MMF:

"Sorry to burst your bubble. I never intended to win friends"

Well good for you. You're doing great.

I just think those statements are false and it is "stupid" to repeat that over and over again all over the web..."

You do think that don't you? Well I don't.

For what I use my car for, it's fast. I can get in and out of traffic easily . I drive it on the highway and I no problem passing anyone even above 40mph. I can leave everyone at a stop light in my rearview mirror. My only speed problem I have is fighting the temptation to do so.

I did not say it can beat a Porsche or a Lamborghini. Most cars on the street in my area are minivans and SUVs. My car has the power to navigate through those vehicles with ease. I do it every week. I get onto on ramps with ease and I merege into highway traffic with more power than I need.

I am out to make friends. That's one of the reasons I got into EVs.

I accept your opinion of my statements but I don't agree with you.

· NeilBlanchard · 10 weeks ago

Top Gear is somehow able to get away with lying because they are an entertainment show? That's bogus. They have zero credibility with me.

It is not just some journalists who want FUD to surround EV's - we have seen in the past so-called journalists sell their soul and write what they are told to by monied interests.

I smell oily money...

Neil

· EV Fest · 10 weeks ago

Take Any Car - Gas, Diesel, Hybrid, Electric, Fuel Cell, Nuclear, or whatever - and drive it normal - check it's range on a tank, charge, or isotope replacement, and then drive it again - at over 100 mph, with hard accelerations, hard braking, repeatedly, over-and-over, until out of gas, Diesel, Charger or Nuclear Power - and for any given vehicle you will see that such driving style can burn from two times to three times or more energy than driving it normally!

I did an Energy Log Test such as this - for a short run, on an Electric Vehicle that I could log the energy Volts and Amps each second, and calculate the second by second Watts used - net comparison - Cruising at 100 Kph uses approximately 140 Watt hours per Km, driving like a granny nanny uses about 67 - 100 Wh/Km, and driving hard like a nut, with hard accelerations and hard braking - repeated, uses about 277 - 285 Wh/Km. bottom line driving hard vs. gently = 4X the Energy use, and driving hard vs highway cruising - uses about at least 2X the Energy.

Back in 1984, I had a rented car in England, and drove the M6, from Scotland down to Manchester for an event. On the south leg - there was this other guy & I taking turns at leading the pack at over 100 Mph. The tank of gas lasted about half as long/half as far - as on the return trip at 75 Mph. (Speed Limits posted at 70 Mph, I think it was)

So - bottom line - Speed Burns Energy - be it Gas or Electric. So does aggressive Driving Tactics.

Oh - by the way - I was once on my way to an appointment - and it took me until the 4th Gas Station to find Gas! Talk about Range Anxiety!

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· chumble99 · 10 weeks ago

I am based in the UK and haven't watch Top Gear for years since it stopped being a programme about cars and became a silly show featuring overpaid tossers as presenters. I do think that this kind of negative publicity is hurting EV sales in the UK - every UK article seems to focus on the limited range of EVs as the main discussion point. I am not an EV driver due to lack of funds but I won't hestitate to buy an EV when I can afford one.

· RedLeaf · 10 weeks ago

Let's consider that EV-bashing is just an extension of a hybrid-bashing trend that has existed probably since the hybrids started. If you google around you'll find a "marketing" study that supposedly proved that the Hummer was more environmental than the Prius. In your google search you may also notice two other things - first, that the study was very poorly done and second, that in spite of the first point hundreds of various media sources immediately and proudly trumpeted the study's results.

Similarly, an obscure article about how hybrids and EVs use more energy (and emit more carbon) than a similar-sized ICE car was quickly picked up and exaggerated throughout the internet, largely by the same sources who trumpeted the Hummer/Prius study. Although that article was comparing energy used to manufacture similar-sized vehicles - the same statement would not have been true comparing an Insight to an Excursion, for example - and the easily-verified fact that the lifetime energy/carbon savings dwarf the extra manufacturing costs - many people today believe statements like "a hybrid emits 5x more carbon during manufacturing than it saves during its lifetime."

So there are two things going on here - first there are a large number of people who don't like hybrids and EVs and are predisposed to believe these kind of lies, and there are also a large number of people in various parts of the media who love to promote them.

As to why a lot of people are predisposed not to like hybrids and EVs ... well, that's a different and very complicated topic.

· world2steven · 10 weeks ago

The people doing the most to 'kill the EV' are those promising more than they can deliver - RIGHT NOW. The list includes not just journalists, pro and con, but anyone who doesn't read and understand the 'fine print' when preaching the EV gospel to others. And it includes vendors who give their customers more access to the battery than they should be allowed. Most people do NOT have an engineering degree. And most people are NOT going to read - or at least remember - the 60 pages of battery care and feeding info I'm told the Mitsubishi i (formerly i-MiEV) manual supplies.

It is true that if vendors were forthright about the limitations existing battery technology imposes on their 'pure' EV offerings, the market for those products would not be as large. But for many people, that technology is good enough RIGHT NOW. Any regular reader of Plugin Cars is aware of the limitations. But new customers - people of limited means who want to 'do the right thing' - may not be. And a few years down the road when it comes time to replace that expensive battery, they may not be so keen on 'doing the right thing' again.

So besides full disclosure and loaner ICE-powered cars for those few times (for most people) when 'pure' EVs are NOT good enough, I suggest hardware-imposed limits on the damage drivers can do to their EV batteries - with maybe an override switch they can flip after acknowledging an 'I know what I am doing' disclaimer.

Of course, you can just forget the 'pure' and go with what works RIGHT NOW. Like the Volt... Call it nothing more than a 'hybrid' if you will. But it works! 1300+ miles on 1.7 gallons of gas - and that without trying very hard, i.e. I still stomp on both the gas and the brake.

· smithjim1961 · 10 weeks ago

Lauren Fix who calls herself an automotive "expert" claims she spent $100 on electricity for a week's worth of driving a Chevy Volt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ntw2DKBqw8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I looked up the cost of electricity in Buffalo, NY. It's 20.5 cents per kW-h. Assuming a 90% charge efficiency and 10.5 kW-h usable battery capacity, Ms. Fix would have had to charge the Volt 42 times to equal $100 worth of electricity.

Lauren Fix is lying about how much she spent on electricity for the Volt or she is incredibly ignorant about simple arithmetic.

· RedLeaf · 10 weeks ago

Bill Howland writes: "The NY times reporter was victim of a design defect apparently even Tesla was unaware of."

What was that?

To me the biggest issue was that the final leg of the trip was started without enough charge - the leg was 61 miles, the charge was 32 miles. Sorry, that's nuts - and you don't need to read a 60 page manual, as the NYT apologist stated - to figure that out.

Then: "Two: I've been around & around on this on InsideEv's.com. TopGear seemed to in my mind do a fair review of the Tesla Roadster. Any negativity I chalk up to perfunctory British Arrogance."

They showed a Tesla being pushed and talked about the possibility of running out of charge - yet it hadn't run out of charge. That's fair?

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@SmithJim1961

The electricity cost in Buffalo, NY proper (we have to be careful here since there are 2 utilities in the area, the one for buffalo being both mine, and far more expensive than the cheaper one), so even assuming expensive buffalo, the marginal cost has been between 9 and 13 cents for the past 5 years or so. Recently it has been 12 1/2 cents. 20 1/2 cents is way out of line and it is given by some reporter who is brain dead. I assume you are talking residential rates with no demand. Commercial rates are another ball game and defy easy analysis here, in any event with commercial the marginal costs can be made low.

So if you want to pick the highest its been for the past 5 years in a house, pick 13 cents / kwh.

Self - Styled Experts never know how to calculate electric rates. Anything more complicated forget it. Most don't even know whats being measured.. Try asking a BIG EXPERT what Reactive Demand charges are measuring and what they are trying to incentivize. You almost always get a BS answer (Beyond Stupidity).

@Red Leaf

HI.

The Model S design defect is a high heat loss baking pan battery, which i'm sure will be followed in 'version 2.0' with a refrigerator foam sandwich. Per Tesla's own chart number 2, the heat loss is 1840 watts for Broder's sleepover, and therefore only Level 2 charging will work in very cold weather since level 1 can only give you around 1400.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@Red Leaf

Re: Top Gear, I don't know exactly how we determine it wasn't out of charge, since Tesla by their own admission wasn't logging things as they did the NY times.

55 miles of hard test driving would in my opinion use up the full 244 miles of the battery, but they may have only charged it up to 215 miles initially ( I chalk that up to an honest mistake). But I have no problem with 55 miles of driving. Flooring the gas all the time actually makes me surprised that it would actually go a full 55 miles. The battery efficiency on the Tesla Roadster is poor when flooring the gas. Its the tradeoff you get when trying to pull 200 kw from a battery. (Its generating around 100kw of heat at the same time). The motor efficiency gets really lousy at the same time... That's life in the big city.

· RedLeaf · 10 weeks ago

My understanding from the articles is that Top Gear acknowledged it hadn't run out of charge and instead argued that they were merely demonstrating that it could happen.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@Smithjim1961

Just so there's no confusion my 13 cents/ kwh marginal cost also took into account all taxes and fees. 20 1/2 sounds more like NY City or Long Island, which are both more distance from buffalo in every way than even the 400 mile drive between us would imply.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@SmithJim1961

The Car Coach is from Buffalo?

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

Ok, just checked her website and Wikipedia. Wikipedia says she is Buffalo based, but you'd never know it from her own website... Maybe she thought mentioning it would be a bad career move.

I dont think we can blame the Utility on $100 a week power bills for the Volt. I'd think it was more likely the 91 degrees on the dashboard of the Volt, indicating an August filming. If she lives in a huge Mansion, the $400 increase in her power bill is due to increased airconditioning usage in August, and I mean her Mansion not the car.

· jspearman · 10 weeks ago

I think talking potshots at EV's is a quick way to get your story read, especially if you make it sound dire enough. Who knew who Broder was before this story? It was like making a celebrity porn video, and just as substantive. We all took the bait, certainly, red-meat conservatives went wild, and Broder generated a billion hits for a story that was largely author-generated. But EV's will live or die now because people drive them for themselves, and I think most people who get behind the wheel will want one.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@Jspearman

Your points are acknowledged but for me, his test drive was very Educational. They'd never admit it, but I bet it was even more so for Tesla themselves. So granted, the bad publicity is not good, but I personally learned ALOT about the car even though I only own a Volt and a Roadster, and have only looked at a stationary Model S, not being able to actually test drive or evaluate it on the road. I'm glad the article came out, but then I do not own any Stock in Tesla.

· smithjim1961 · 10 weeks ago

Bill Howland,

I can't remember the source of the number I used for rates in Buffalo, NY. If the rates are lower than 20.5 cents per kW-h it reinforces my opinion that Lauren Fix is off by an order of magnitude when she claims she spent $100 to power the Volt for one week. That's why I posted a comment about Lauren Fix regarding an article titled, "Are jounalists trying to kill the electric car?"

The ironic thing is Laren Fix says near the end of her video, "Do your homework before buying a plug in vehicle" It looks like Ms. Fix is the one who hasn't done her homework.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@smithjim1961

Yeah especially since she only had the standard 120 volt charger cord. If the thing was constantly plugged in at the 12 amp rate (assume 1400 watts) for a whole week (heater on the whole time so that it never charged up or something like that). that would be 235.2 kwh (168 hours in a week) * 13 cents/ kwh or $30.52

As I say, I think she's including central airconditioning her mansion.
But then, I think she's trying to sell Cheesecake. She has her daughter Shelby doing the same thing, and her younger son Paul is a kid model. So don't expect a huge technical revelation from that family.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@smithjim1961

Your comment about being an order of magnitude off is exactly right. If she drove 25 miles per day (pre cooled the airconditioning that ran it full blast everywhere she drove), and it took 8 hours to recharge then it would run up the bill a bit over $10 a week. (around 78 2/5 kwh for the week or around 11kwh per day). With gas around $4 per gallon for the past few years. that would be the same as 2 1/2 gallons of gas. Driving 175 miles (even in the hot summertime with the airconditioning precooling the car when parked - therefore giveing only 25 miles , I assume also she has a lead foot) for the price of 2 1/2 gallons of gas is doing pretty well in anyone's book.

· vike1108 · 10 weeks ago

Claiming that the Times "stood by Mr. Broder and his review" badly misstates the substance of the conclusions reached by the Times' Public Editor Margaret Sullivan in her February 18 column. I urge others to read Sullivan's column and judge for themselves:

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/problems-with-precision...

I had big problems with the lack of an apology and the general weasel-wording, but the fact is Sullivan "stood by Mr. Broder" exactly enough to justify not firing him. With the facts clearly pointing to fraudulent and/or malicious intent on Broder's part, Sullivan chose to follow Lazarus Long's anti-conspiracy creed - "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." And Sullivan decided there was a LOT of stupidity needed to explain Broder's story. If you want to call that standing by their man, go ahead. But Sullivan, while huffing a bit about those mean old Tesla technicians with all that fancy evidence in their unimpeachable data logs, IN NO WAY "stood by" Broder's review, which she acknowledged was deeply flawed.

Still, that doesn't let the Times off the hook. Going back over Sullilvan's column, what I found most amazing was this paragraph, a smoking gun of the NYT's arrogance and cluelessness laid out for all the world to see:

SULLIVAN: . . . Mr. Broder left himself open to valid criticism by taking what seem to be casual and imprecise notes along the journey, unaware that his every move was being monitored. A little red notebook in the front seat is no match for digitally recorded driving logs, which Mr. Musk has used, in the most damaging (and sometimes quite misleading) ways possible, as he defended his vehicle’s reputation.

TRANSLATION: Broder was sloppy, unprofessional, and biased - and he assumed he'd get away with it because he didn't know someone was building a verifiable record of the facts. Gosh, it sure seems overkill to beat up our reporter and his little red notebook with all those fancy data logs - what bullies those Tesla guys are to make such "damaging (and sometimes quite misleading)" allegations.

This is just extraordinary. Sullivan seems to be expressing distaste for the fact that Tesla didn't trust their reporter and cunningly allowed him to take a test drive while "unaware that his every move was being monitored." Yet she implicitly acknowledges that Broder's little red notebook was inaccurate, "recording" a story that was flatly disproven by the car's data recorders. (So yes, our reporter's a slob and a liar - and how dare you decline to trust him!) She goes on to compound this insult to our intelligence with the casual assertion that Tesla's Elon Musk used the vehicle logs in "damaging" and "misleading" ways - without offering a single specific example of Musk saying anything that was misleading.

Speaking of specifics, Sullivan papers over one of the most damning elements of Musk's dissection of the Broder hatchet job with this classic bit of understatement:

SULLIVAN: Did he [Broder] use good judgment along the way? Not especially. In particular, decisions he made at a crucial juncture - when he recharged the Model S in Norwich, Conn., a stop forced by the unexpected loss of charge overnight - were certainly instrumental in this saga’s high-drama ending.

OK, now here I am claiming that's an understatement, but it does sound pretty critical, doesn't it? And maybe it does, until you read the bare fact of Broder's "decisions" in Musk's blog post :

MUSK: The final leg of his trip was 61 miles and yet he disconnected the charge cable when the range display stated 32 miles. He did so expressly AGAINST the advice of Tesla personnel and in obvious violation of common sense.

To clarify for folks who might have a little trouble understanding how Sullivan's and Musk's statements are related, Sullivan is suggesting that Broder's "decisions" to (1) disconnect his car from a charger with its gauge reporting only 32 miles of range available, and then (2) attempt to drive to a destination 61 miles away, were "certainly instrumental" in the car running out of power before reaching its destination and needing to call a tow truck. Our Ms. Sullivan is not much given to hyperbole, is she? I suppose, just hypothetically, that she would similarly acknowledge that Broder's decisions to (1) pour gasoline all over her desk, and then (2) drop a lighted match on it, were "certainly instrumental" in her desk catching fire. (Oh, just for the curious, the Model S's near-dead battery actually managed 51 miles before finally conking out, exceeding the the estimated range remaining by some 60%.)

As to the core question of integrity, Sullivan wiggles out of reaching the conclusion that Broder should be cut loose as a shameless fraud with this bit of weak tea:

SULLIVAN: I do not believe Mr. Broder hoped the drive would end badly. I am convinced that he took on the test drive in good faith, and told the story as he experienced it.

TRANSLATION: Just because we're admitting that Broder's article and the notes on which he based it don't line up with the vehicle logs, don't jump to the conclusion that Broder was lying. He was just so committed to his pre-cooked narrative that he "told the story as he experienced it", in other words imagined things actually happened as he expected they would. So he's not dishonest, just delusional.

While Sullivan declines to throw Broder under the bus, she at least refuses to endorse his pathetic "point by point" rebuttal to Musk's analysis and commentary on the vehicle logs generated during the test drive. Even so, she can't resist a final effort to wish away all that inconvenient data and just "report the controversy":

SULLIVAN: I could recite chapter and verse of the test drive, the decisions made along the way, the cabin temperature of the car, the cruise control setting and so on. I don’t think that’s useful here. People will go on contesting these points - and insisting that they know what they prove - and that’s understandable. In the matter of the Tesla Model S and its now infamous test drive, there is still plenty to argue about and few conclusions that are unassailable.

I beg to differ. In light of all the preceding, I think that a number of conclusions ARE unassailable, some regarding what did and did not happen on that test drive, some about Broder's integrity and/or mental capacity, and some big ones about the New York Times' status as the "Newspaper of Record."

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@vike1108

While having a low opinion of the NY Times in general (specifically, all the lies they championed to start the Iraq War), in this case I'm ok with their article on the Model S.

Margaret Sullivan (ex brief editor of the Buffalo News) writes bland statements to smooth ruffled feathers, neither helping Broder nor Tesla, and in general, confusing the General Public.

I've meticulously gone over his test drive as well as the data charts provided by Tesla.
Tesla did make 3 incorrect statements to Broder:

1). The '25 mile range' indication was a "software glitch" and should be ignored. UNTRUE, the car died on Cue later in the day.

2). The battery range will increase by running the heater and 'conditioning it'.
UNTRUE: Tesla chart #2 shows the only thing that will increase range is to charge it.

http://insideevs.com/tesla-responds-to-ny-times-model-s-drive-broder-dro...

3). Take advantange of regenerative free electricity by turning off the cruise control and "accelerate and decelerate". With rare exception, that is also Untrue. The person who told him that doesn't understand what regeneration is in the first place, nor where the 'free energy" ultimately comes from.

Mr. Musk has needlessly picked a fight here by saying things like " The car never went dead" when the tow truck driver confirmed it, and "He wasted range by deliberately driving 3/5 mile around the parking lot". I've driven over this amount in parking lots looking for the plug in outlet, or trying to find an available spot. Hardly wasting range, its called driving in the big city.

Musk later made childish remarks on other drivers who successfully completed the coarse, saying bullying statements such as " He used a novel concept, he actually plugged it in!". I own a Roadster, not an S, but even I could precisely calculate a very big design defect in the S which Musk I'm sure is trying to deflect. Broder looked to me to be just a typical NYC driver. I believe a real world test is what was wanted. After I began theorizing a defect, a minnesota Tesla owner proved it.:

http://andwediditourway.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-not-so-ev-life.html

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

That chart #2 is too hard to dig out of the link I just provided. Here's a better one I think:

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tesla-graphic-2.jpg

· NeilBlanchard · 10 weeks ago

@vike1108 Right on! My comment at the time was that Ms Sullivan was being squishy. Mr. Broder is (supposedly) a reporter. Reporters are supposed to factual. He can't take the "entertainment dodge".

I was also miffed by Ms. Sullivan's unsubstantiated accusation of Mr Musk being "misleading". Are the data misleading?

Here's another egregious piece of EV hackery - the Consumer Reports "review" of the Mitsubishi i MiEV.

http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1286

"The i-MiEV is puny, tinny, slow, jouncy, and clumsy."
"At low speeds the electric motor whines loudly. As speed build, tire and wind noise become louder."
"It's slow, chintzy, cramped, and so far off the mark that we often felt it was closer to being a glorified golf cart than an actual car."
"It seats only four people, and they feel crammed together as in cheap theater seats."
The headliner "is like fuzz-sprayed cardboard" and the climate control knobs "feel like toys".

Sheesh.

Neil

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@NeilBlanchard

Not a big fan of CR here either, but those quotes sound much more like facts than opinions. Its where they are overly opinionated that they fail to impress me.

CR gave the Model S a glowing review. But again, I think they were bowled over by the touch screen and didn't worry about too much else, namely, cold weather performance.

· NeilBlanchard · 10 weeks ago

We can add the Wall Street Journal to the list of questionable articles:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732412850457834691399491447...

The analysis that is used as the basis for the WSJ article seems like they may have made some critical mistakes:

http://llewblog.squarespace.com/electric-cars/2012/10/11/the-truth-will-...

If they used a 1,000kg electric motor in their analysis (the Leaf motor apparently weighs 53kg) then the analysis and the article are pretty much negated...

@Bill Howland the CR article on the i MiEV is chock full of opinion, and they provide almost no facts. Even in the "expanded" version that you have to pay for, they include very little actual test data. The i MiEV has one of the roomiest front seats in any car you can buy - my brother who is nearly 6'-7" drives one and I am 6'-4" and we can sit very comfortably in the front seats. The interior is not "puny" or "cramped". While it may be old-school and simple, it is not "chintzy", "cheap", or "tinny".

If the CR article is not chock full of opinionated code words intended to denigrate the car, then I don't know what it is. "Fuzz-sprayed cardboard" is an opinion intended to smear, I think...

Neil

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@Neil

Maybe the sorry truth is that most cars actually have "fuzz sprayed cardboard" as their head liner, but they refer to it as "Unique Supple Luxury Ambience", hehehe.

I've heard of a few model S drivers who were disappointed at the cheap floor matts, and the price of reasonable ones. I can't remember where I read it but there is apparently one Model S driver who was so disappointed in the car that he wants his money back (!).

Now THAT would be an interesting article: Find out precisely why the guy who just spent $100k thinks it was a mistake and wants out. THAT would be educational for the rest of us.

BTW, I'm keeping my chevy Volt and Tesla Roadster, warts and all.

· NeilBlanchard · 10 weeks ago

@Bill Howland It may be common, so why it it mentioned in this article? If they had said it "has a low quality headliner" that would be possibly relevant, but I very much doubt it is literally cardboard.

Robert Llewellyn wrote a blog post on this subject, that I think is as succinct as I have seen - he is spot on:

http://llewblog.squarespace.com/journal/2013/2/13/tesla-model-s-car-fuff...

Neil

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@NeilBlanchard

Well 95% of the writers here will disagree with me (nationwide, its about 50%), but I applaud more CO2 emissions, as it is
1). A building block of life.
2). Much lower % concentration than it used to be.
3). A trivial greenhouse gas compared to Methane, which is 20 times more efficacious, and those really big culprits, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas.

99% of Californians would vehemently disagree with the above paragraph, otherwise they wouldn't live there.

Since I'm a Greenhouse Gas Emitter (I Breathe), I imagine it will be only a matter of time before I'm taxed, not only for not having health care, but for breathing... since they are already starting to tax pigs and cows for their "climate change emissions".

But its not smooth sailing, in that some farmers have said "If you start taxing us, we'll just shut down", which of course, is the idea, since the big corporate farms get plenty of grants, favors, and exemptions anyway.

But Rupurt Murdock wants to purpetuate all of the above, as does Warren Buffet, who, since buying Burlington Northern Railway, is vehemently against any pipes since he wants to have more tanker cars for his trains. (I'm not saying a pipe is necesarily a good idea, and the Canadians on their Side have not necessarily agreed to it either yet).

As far as the weight of the motor goes, I can't really call that inaccurate, since many plug in conversion guys use effectively the blue motor that was shown in your link (A big AC Cast Iron 3 phase induction motor). But the heavy motor's 'carbon footprint' is a nonstarter for me, and half the country.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@NeilBlanchard

That article didn't have too much info in it either. I think Top Gear is a BBC thing, and therefore automatically suspect, but as far as the televised portion I didn't think it was that bad. Yes they were impressed with the acceleration, but not so much with the range, price or brakes. I'm a loyal Roadster owner, but I was ok with what they said. But then I'm used to "British Assumed Superiority". Didn't bother me that they looked down on it. They look down on everything, other than themselves of course.

Now Broder, I have to say, If I made his exact same test drive, I could have easily run out of juice even though I have 2 ev's myself if I believed what Tesla Told me , as mentioned in my posts about 20 or so above.

The big surprise was the huge decrease in range overnight, indicating a design defect I would assume Tesla at the time was unaware of. I'm sure they are aware of it now.

· Bill Howland · 10 weeks ago

@Neil Blanchard

Here's the somewhat embarrassing Tesla #2 graph, provided by Tesla:

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tesla-graphic-2.jpg

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